Coffee & Cocoa: A Conversation About Reconstructing Your Family After They've Deconstructed Their Faith

Coffee & Cocoa: A Conversation About Reconstructing Your Family After They've Deconstructed Their Faith

Hosted by: Kari Bates and Kimberly Bates

Coffee and Cocoa is a conversation between a faithful LDS mother and her daughter who has left the church — and proof that families can come back together even when they're walking different paths. If you're an LDS...

Episodes

Episode 19: Temples: Sacred Space and Separation

Season #2

When Kari and her husband started their family in 1994, they chose to be sealed in the temple because they believed that it would bind their family together for eternity. When Kimberly and their other children chose...
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Episode 18: Peacemaking

Season #2

What does it mean to be a peacemaker? In this episode of Coffee & Cocoa, Kari shares with Kimberly a presentation she attended by author, professor, and podcaster, Patrick Mason, where he shared four basic tools...
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Episode 17: Josie's Story

Season #2

Our family is a lot bigger than just two people. This week, younger sister, Josie joins Coffee and Cocoa to tell her story for the first time start to finish. Josie grew up as the “perfect child”: smart, pretty, a...
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Why Gen Z Women are Walking Away

Season #2

Season two of Coffee and Cocoa is here! Kari and Kimberly are back from a long break, and they jump right into the conversation that's been all over their feeds while they were away: why so many young women are...
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Bonus Episode: Listen, Learn, & Love

Season #1

We are taking a season break, but wanted to share this bonus episode with Richard Ostler from the Listen, Learn, & Love Podcast. Richard’s podcast is all about amplifying queer and other marginalized voices in the...
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Episode 15: Why You Should Leave

Season #1

For the past three months, Kimberly and Kari have been tossing ideas back and forth about the good and bad in the LDS Church. This week, Kimberly makes her case for why Kari should leave. She covers the historical and...
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Episode 14: Why You Should Stay

Season #1

For the last two episodes of the season, Kari and Kimberly are going to try to convince each other why they should switch teams. This week, Kari presents her case for why Kimberly should come back to the LDS church....
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Episode 13: The "C" Word

Season #1

CULT. It’s a word that gets thrown around a lot when it comes to religion, but what does it even mean? In this episode, Kimberly and Kari evaluate the LDS church, using Steven Hassan’s BITE model. They discuss how...
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Episode 12: It's OK to Disagree

Season #1

In this episode of Coffee & Cocoa, the real-life mother and daughter dynamics come out. What starts as a lighthearted discussion about EFY and church youth culture triggers feelings and frustrations, and leads to...
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Episode 11: How to Reconstruct Your Family After They've Deconstructed Their Faith

Season #1

Maintaining family relationships can be difficult in the best of times, but when one or more family members decides to leave the faith that the family once shared, it can be especially challenging. This episode is...
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Episode 10: How to Reconstruct Your Family After They've Deconstructed Their Faith part 1

Season #1

If you are in the thick of trying to rebuild your family relationships after someone has gone through a faith transition, this is the episode you have been waiting for. In this episode, Kimberly and Kari get down to...
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Episode 9: Same Experience, Different Words

Season #1

What are we actually talking about when we talk about religion? Is it possible that we are just using different words to describe experiences we all have in common? In this episode of Coffee & Cocoa, recorded...
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